Am currently reading Joshua Harris's Boy meets Girl and I'm starting to like the term COURTSHIP. That's it! It may seem like the most hackneyed term to use, but that's what we need! Courtship before relationship. I'll blog more about it when I have the time. I just liked the quotes he used from Elisabeth Elliot about the roles of men and women, it's in the chapter, "If boys were to be Men, would girls be Ladies?"
I do agree with him on the counts on where society is about gender roles and it's so baffling to me cause I am proud to embrace being a lady and the roles we have as women. I have things I've gotta work on, but I have no desire, what so ever, of putting on the pants and being the man!
Here's what Elisabeth Elliot wrote, "The world cries for men who are strong-strong in conviction, strong to lead, to stand, to suffer. I pray that you will be that kind of man- glad that God made you a man, glad to shoulder the burden of manliness in a time when to do so will often bring contempt." I pray this for my male friends, that you will stand up and rise up from being boys and undertaking the manly roles God has ordained for you!
And for the women, she wrote, "A real woman understands that man was created to be the initiator, and she operates on that premise. This is primarily a matter of attitude. I am convinced the woman who understands and accept with gladness the difference between masculine and feminine will be, without pretense or self-consciously, woman". I also like how Josh Harris also talks about cultivating the attitude that motherhood is a noble and fulfilling calling and to not be shy about embracing it and to practice homemaking skills, encouraging men/brothers in Christ to compliment sisters when they strive to learn these skills! Amen!
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Showing posts with label Books. Show all posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Monday, May 24, 2010
Family - The way to love
When God writes your love story..
It's a book that has touched my heart on many counts, it has changed my thoughts on dating and marriage. Practising faithfulness for my future husband, keeping myself physically, emotionally and spiritually pure for him. These are things that I got out of the book. As I reach the last few chapters of the book, I am again, blown away by new insights.
Family.
It's not just about how your family plays a part in your decision on choosing the right one, and not about how your future spouse interacts with them. It is the notion that the way you treat your family will be the exact same way you treat your spouse.
I have to be honest here, I'm no saint. I find it a lot harder to be gracious to my family when they make a mistake than it is to others and even to strangers. Possibly cause I tend to expect more from them and expecting them to be near perfect, while others, I have not much concern for. Yes. I think everyone has this problem, we might be a bit more short fused with our parents, brothers and sisters yet, when we're with strangers and friends, we're more tolerant.
That's where I got an "aha" moment. Your spouse will be a part of your family and you will inherently treat them the same way you treat your family, because behaviour comes with practice.
Given the fact that all loving and lasting relationships are built upon the foundations of God's word, tenderness, tolerance, forgiveness and love, shouldn't we start loving our family, people closest to us, the same way we would love our spouse.
As I write this post, I too am struggling to keep up with these new insights, keeping my heart for the man I'm going to spend the rest of my life with isn't the easiest thing. Especially when it's a guy that tugs at my heartstrings that I didn't even know exist, it's easy to fall into the whole wave of emotions, but trusting and leaving it up to God and His time, would be the best way to have a perfect picture in the end. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy.. Not easy at all, but we have to keep faith that the Lord knows best and to know that it will be perfect in His time, because the sweeter song and the beautiful side of love is written by Him and in His time, the one who created love will script the most romantic love story when we allow Him to.
It's a book that has touched my heart on many counts, it has changed my thoughts on dating and marriage. Practising faithfulness for my future husband, keeping myself physically, emotionally and spiritually pure for him. These are things that I got out of the book. As I reach the last few chapters of the book, I am again, blown away by new insights.
Family.
It's not just about how your family plays a part in your decision on choosing the right one, and not about how your future spouse interacts with them. It is the notion that the way you treat your family will be the exact same way you treat your spouse.
I have to be honest here, I'm no saint. I find it a lot harder to be gracious to my family when they make a mistake than it is to others and even to strangers. Possibly cause I tend to expect more from them and expecting them to be near perfect, while others, I have not much concern for. Yes. I think everyone has this problem, we might be a bit more short fused with our parents, brothers and sisters yet, when we're with strangers and friends, we're more tolerant.
That's where I got an "aha" moment. Your spouse will be a part of your family and you will inherently treat them the same way you treat your family, because behaviour comes with practice.
Given the fact that all loving and lasting relationships are built upon the foundations of God's word, tenderness, tolerance, forgiveness and love, shouldn't we start loving our family, people closest to us, the same way we would love our spouse.
As I write this post, I too am struggling to keep up with these new insights, keeping my heart for the man I'm going to spend the rest of my life with isn't the easiest thing. Especially when it's a guy that tugs at my heartstrings that I didn't even know exist, it's easy to fall into the whole wave of emotions, but trusting and leaving it up to God and His time, would be the best way to have a perfect picture in the end. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy.. Not easy at all, but we have to keep faith that the Lord knows best and to know that it will be perfect in His time, because the sweeter song and the beautiful side of love is written by Him and in His time, the one who created love will script the most romantic love story when we allow Him to.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
The Commitment of Love and Purity
I'm endeavouring to finish When God writes your love story, not that it's not enjoyable, just that I haven't had the time to really sit and read. I'm halfway through it and I've had more "aha" moments than when watching all the episodes of Oprah put together. (yes, I watch Oprah) Last I wrote about the book, it was about the Beautiful side of love, about the Sweeter Song. This time, it's about the purity, both emotional and physical purity.
Purity has been something my friend and I discuss a lot about, don't get me wrong, it's not that both of us have differing views on it, it's just that we have had so many encounters with people who just don't understand the essence of purity, the reason for purity and the need for it. I feel for the people who do not understand the need for it simply because they will never understand the true essence and beauty of love, or experience the love that has been created and planned for us, by Him.
My cousin once told me, that among all of us, I'm the only one who dreams of a white picket fence and she told me not to have such high hopes for it, I understand where she is coming from, but honestly, I just feel that it is because she doesn't understand the concept of true love. Yes, people have called me idealistic for wanting that white picket fence, questioning that domestic side of me and questioning my "submission" to men, I thank God that I have never wavered in my stand and chose to hold true to my beliefs. My only explanation for their confusion, is cause they have yet to experience God and see love from His eyes.
Secular love has called out to many, in fact, it is the most fashionable kind of love to have and be in. This sort of love by my definition is shallow and is based mainly on physical attraction, the fear of loneliness and the spontaneity of the endocrine. The yearning for this sort of love is like a slippery slope, it never ends, you find emotional food and satisfaction from one person, pour out your emotions to him/her and when it all ends, when the "spark" is gone and chemistry doused, what is left is a deeper pit of emotional emptiness and the vicious cycle continues. I am no stranger to this yearning of companionship, I do struggle against this, and have once fallen in "love" and out of, felt that pain of your heart being mashed to pieces and the emptiness that follows. Luckily for me, or rather, I thank God that He led me out of it and I was spared falling into that bottomless pit of "love".
Being with someone should not be about him/her making you feel whole nor about them filling that void and loneliness. You should already be whole when entering the relationship, that void in your heart should have already been filled, as a Christian, your heart should be whole and full with the Love of God. That loneliness you have should be filled with a closer walk with God and not a closer walk with a person you're attracted to, because that walk is just simply temporal until you understand the true meaning of love. How can you love someone when you can't even love the person who made you, who created you?
What then is Love, you may ask.. I truly have no concrete answer, or rather, am not wise enough to give one, but at this point, I can only share with you love that I understand. Godly love, above all else, is love that is essential to me, it is what keeps me whole and fills me with such joy and contentment. It is this gift of Love for me that I can love others, forgive them and love people who do evil unto me. It is God's love that marks me, His love for me, so much so, that He gave His son as a living sacrifice for me. Honestly, I do not deny that at times, it is a struggle for me to exhibit this kind of Godly love to people, because they do get on my nerves too, but I try to remind myself, that it is this group of people that needs and lacks God's love.
Love between people, isn't just about attraction or a bunch of hormonal reactions, it's more than just that. Love between friends and that special someone, is a commitment. It is a commitment to actively love someone above all else. If love is based upon "chemistry" and "feelings" then it is love that cannot last, but if it is a promise to love someone with all your heart, to love them through all circumstances, it will be tough, that I can guarantee, but it will be the most rewarding and lasting form of love, one that conquers and commits.
It brings me to the issue of purity. We cannot deny that there is a social epidemic of immorality, the apathy and indifference to purity and at times, the mockery of it. We have become a generation that jokes and talks about sexual relationships and adventures without any sense of shame nor guilt. There are many out there who think that it's alright, life is short and many who just jump into the bandwagon thinking, if everyone is doing it, why can't I? Why keep myself pure when I can't even be sure if the person I'm keeping it for is doing the same? It is, of course, a valid question. But I know and have faith that if God has planned marriage for you and have planned for you to meet that right one He has for you, then I am very sure and certain, that this very person is keeping himself for you too, because He too, would have a fervour for God.
It starts with us, with us as individuals, to have that integrity and commitment to purity. If immorality started with just a few and then snowballing to what it is now, then I believe, it would also take us, as individuals, to influence the rest, the people around us, about the importance of purity. Keeping yourself for that one special person, males and females alike. I have many male friends and believe me, all of them, want to marry a girl that is pure and chaste. For the few guys who actually read this, if that's what you hope for in a girl, you can be sure that she expects that of you too!
Physical purity is just one aspect of purity, there is too, the emotional aspect of it. Not giving your heart to people who don't deserve it, because when you do and when they break it, part of you "dies" away. At the end of the day, when you marry that one person, when you find that one special person you want to live with for the rest of your life, all that is left is a heart that has been broken and patched and full of cracks. You can't Love wholeheartedly when you don't have a heart that is whole.
The shadows of past relationships and the heartaches will impede your love for that special person, you will naturally put up barriers when you've been hurt one too many times, you won't be able to love the person with all your heart, because you can only love him/her with what is left of it.
Some of you will go.. it's sort of too late, have been there, done that. But it is never too late. Letting God come into your life and take charge, letting Him heal your heart as you await His right one, allowing Him to teach you Love and letting Him show you how to love, these will change you. As you yearn to please Him, He will guide you and it won't be easy, but as long as you have the fervour for the Lord, you will get there. If you aren't Christian, it doesn't mean you let your life go and self destruct, because if you are in search of love and have yet to find it, then I really do hope the above sharing spoke to you.
I have made my commitment to God and to that special someone, though I've not met him, to keep my heart and myself for him, until He tells me that that's the one. Have you?
Purity has been something my friend and I discuss a lot about, don't get me wrong, it's not that both of us have differing views on it, it's just that we have had so many encounters with people who just don't understand the essence of purity, the reason for purity and the need for it. I feel for the people who do not understand the need for it simply because they will never understand the true essence and beauty of love, or experience the love that has been created and planned for us, by Him.
My cousin once told me, that among all of us, I'm the only one who dreams of a white picket fence and she told me not to have such high hopes for it, I understand where she is coming from, but honestly, I just feel that it is because she doesn't understand the concept of true love. Yes, people have called me idealistic for wanting that white picket fence, questioning that domestic side of me and questioning my "submission" to men, I thank God that I have never wavered in my stand and chose to hold true to my beliefs. My only explanation for their confusion, is cause they have yet to experience God and see love from His eyes.
Secular love has called out to many, in fact, it is the most fashionable kind of love to have and be in. This sort of love by my definition is shallow and is based mainly on physical attraction, the fear of loneliness and the spontaneity of the endocrine. The yearning for this sort of love is like a slippery slope, it never ends, you find emotional food and satisfaction from one person, pour out your emotions to him/her and when it all ends, when the "spark" is gone and chemistry doused, what is left is a deeper pit of emotional emptiness and the vicious cycle continues. I am no stranger to this yearning of companionship, I do struggle against this, and have once fallen in "love" and out of, felt that pain of your heart being mashed to pieces and the emptiness that follows. Luckily for me, or rather, I thank God that He led me out of it and I was spared falling into that bottomless pit of "love".
Being with someone should not be about him/her making you feel whole nor about them filling that void and loneliness. You should already be whole when entering the relationship, that void in your heart should have already been filled, as a Christian, your heart should be whole and full with the Love of God. That loneliness you have should be filled with a closer walk with God and not a closer walk with a person you're attracted to, because that walk is just simply temporal until you understand the true meaning of love. How can you love someone when you can't even love the person who made you, who created you?
What then is Love, you may ask.. I truly have no concrete answer, or rather, am not wise enough to give one, but at this point, I can only share with you love that I understand. Godly love, above all else, is love that is essential to me, it is what keeps me whole and fills me with such joy and contentment. It is this gift of Love for me that I can love others, forgive them and love people who do evil unto me. It is God's love that marks me, His love for me, so much so, that He gave His son as a living sacrifice for me. Honestly, I do not deny that at times, it is a struggle for me to exhibit this kind of Godly love to people, because they do get on my nerves too, but I try to remind myself, that it is this group of people that needs and lacks God's love.
Love between people, isn't just about attraction or a bunch of hormonal reactions, it's more than just that. Love between friends and that special someone, is a commitment. It is a commitment to actively love someone above all else. If love is based upon "chemistry" and "feelings" then it is love that cannot last, but if it is a promise to love someone with all your heart, to love them through all circumstances, it will be tough, that I can guarantee, but it will be the most rewarding and lasting form of love, one that conquers and commits.
It brings me to the issue of purity. We cannot deny that there is a social epidemic of immorality, the apathy and indifference to purity and at times, the mockery of it. We have become a generation that jokes and talks about sexual relationships and adventures without any sense of shame nor guilt. There are many out there who think that it's alright, life is short and many who just jump into the bandwagon thinking, if everyone is doing it, why can't I? Why keep myself pure when I can't even be sure if the person I'm keeping it for is doing the same? It is, of course, a valid question. But I know and have faith that if God has planned marriage for you and have planned for you to meet that right one He has for you, then I am very sure and certain, that this very person is keeping himself for you too, because He too, would have a fervour for God.
It starts with us, with us as individuals, to have that integrity and commitment to purity. If immorality started with just a few and then snowballing to what it is now, then I believe, it would also take us, as individuals, to influence the rest, the people around us, about the importance of purity. Keeping yourself for that one special person, males and females alike. I have many male friends and believe me, all of them, want to marry a girl that is pure and chaste. For the few guys who actually read this, if that's what you hope for in a girl, you can be sure that she expects that of you too!
Physical purity is just one aspect of purity, there is too, the emotional aspect of it. Not giving your heart to people who don't deserve it, because when you do and when they break it, part of you "dies" away. At the end of the day, when you marry that one person, when you find that one special person you want to live with for the rest of your life, all that is left is a heart that has been broken and patched and full of cracks. You can't Love wholeheartedly when you don't have a heart that is whole.
The shadows of past relationships and the heartaches will impede your love for that special person, you will naturally put up barriers when you've been hurt one too many times, you won't be able to love the person with all your heart, because you can only love him/her with what is left of it.
Some of you will go.. it's sort of too late, have been there, done that. But it is never too late. Letting God come into your life and take charge, letting Him heal your heart as you await His right one, allowing Him to teach you Love and letting Him show you how to love, these will change you. As you yearn to please Him, He will guide you and it won't be easy, but as long as you have the fervour for the Lord, you will get there. If you aren't Christian, it doesn't mean you let your life go and self destruct, because if you are in search of love and have yet to find it, then I really do hope the above sharing spoke to you.
I have made my commitment to God and to that special someone, though I've not met him, to keep my heart and myself for him, until He tells me that that's the one. Have you?
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
The Beautiful Side of Love
The beautiful side of love. This was a phrase that stuck with me when I flipped through the first few chapters of When God Writes Your Love Story by Eric & Leslie Ludy, I believe it's a book that's going to make my tears roll, simply cause it already did. Somehow, I feel the writers, maybe cause I've been in similar situations and circumstances or maybe cause that's how I'm feeling. But I feel that this is the season.. The season where I give God the pen of my life and let HIM write, not only my life, but my love story and I know, it'd be more than beautiful, more than amazing.
There are times, I don't deny, that I ask God why, why it's taking me so long to find the right one, why those around me just don't seem right. Was it that hard?
But this morning, as I sat down and read the book, it just clicked.. It's taking so long for me to find the "right" one cause I have been looking for what I think was right and not what God thinks is right. That's why no one seems to fit. So right now, I give up searching for the "right" one, and let Him put His right choice in my life. He has everything planned out for me and I'm sure He'd find someone for me.
I'm waiting for His side of love to reveal, it has never been the right season before this, I wasn't ready, not because I wasn't emotionally available, but cause my "right" wasn't HIS right. Now that I know, I'm keeping my heart for that one person God has prepared for me and as much as people think that when you put God in the equation of a relationship, it gets boring, I'd beg to differ. God puts the Love in the relationship, He puts the right hue and tone to it, He'd paint a better picture and logically speaking, HE is the creator of LOVE and if there's someone who know the handbook of love best, it's gotta be HIM!
Right now, I know my heart is at peace and ready for Him to put the Right one in my life, cause the Beautiful side of love.. Is seen through His eyes.
There are times, I don't deny, that I ask God why, why it's taking me so long to find the right one, why those around me just don't seem right. Was it that hard?
But this morning, as I sat down and read the book, it just clicked.. It's taking so long for me to find the "right" one cause I have been looking for what I think was right and not what God thinks is right. That's why no one seems to fit. So right now, I give up searching for the "right" one, and let Him put His right choice in my life. He has everything planned out for me and I'm sure He'd find someone for me.
I'm waiting for His side of love to reveal, it has never been the right season before this, I wasn't ready, not because I wasn't emotionally available, but cause my "right" wasn't HIS right. Now that I know, I'm keeping my heart for that one person God has prepared for me and as much as people think that when you put God in the equation of a relationship, it gets boring, I'd beg to differ. God puts the Love in the relationship, He puts the right hue and tone to it, He'd paint a better picture and logically speaking, HE is the creator of LOVE and if there's someone who know the handbook of love best, it's gotta be HIM!
Right now, I know my heart is at peace and ready for Him to put the Right one in my life, cause the Beautiful side of love.. Is seen through His eyes.
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Giving things that matter priority
Feeling a bit emo of late, probably cause the "I'm leaving soon" feeling is really kicking in! But I've been very drawn to a particular piece of literature from Mitch Albom's Have a Little Faith. I felt my heartstrings tug when I read it.
Here is what it read.. pg93, Have a Little Faith - Mitch Albom
Here is what it read.. pg93, Have a Little Faith - Mitch Albom
From a Sermon by the Reb, 1975
"A man seeks employment on a farm. He hands his letter of recommendation to his new employer. It reads simply, 'He sleeps in a storm.'
"The owner is desperate for help, so he hires the man
"Several weeks pass, and suddenly, in middle of the night, a powerful storm rips through the valley.
"Awakened by the swirling rain and howling wind, the owner leaps out of bed. He calls for his new hired hand, but the man is sleeping soundly.
"So he dashes off to the barn. He sees, to his amazement, that the animals are secure with plenty of feed.
"He runs out to the field. He sees the bales of wheat have been bound and are wrapped in tarpaulins.
"He races to the silo. The doors are latched, and the grain is dry.
"And then he understands. 'He sleeps in a storm.'
"My friends, if we tend to the things that are important in life, if we are right with those we love and behave in line with our faith, our lives will not be cursed with the aching throb of unfulfilled business. Our worlds will always be sincere, our embraces will be tight. We will never wallow in the agony of 'I could have, I should have.' We can sleep in a storm.
"And when it's time, our good-byes will be complete."
This isn't just simply about living your life to the fullest, it is about giving things that matter in life priority, it is about seeing the bigger picture in life and letting the small things that bug you go. It is about consistency, about discipline and about hard work, reaping what you sow. I think this message can be applied to many aspects of a person's life, especially at this point in my life, where I'm going to pursue something I desire so dearly and feel so passionate for.
This serves as a reminder to me, to keep my focus and to understand that no matter how emo or how "I don't want to go" I feel, I have to. Simply because God has called me for my duties and I have to give Him my very best because He deserves nothing less than that in His service. I feel a lot more at ease now that I've got my focus right. I will not focus on the emotional emptiness that I may feel when I'm there, but the overwhelming grace that I AM there. I will not see it as if I'm leaving, but I'm returning in a few months time.
With this new perspective on things, giving things that matter priority so that life will be without regrets, I am sure I'd be able to conquer any mountain that is before me. No matter how long the journey, I will carry on and persevere because I know, HE overcomes!
Saturday, January 9, 2010
Have a Little Faith - Mitch Albom
I'm halfway through Mitch Albom's Have a Little Faith. As always, it is an awesome read. Halfway through it and I'm actually thinking and asking myself questions.
When someone says, your god and my god.. Is it the start of a subtle distinction and segregation? If a Christian tells a Jew, "May your god and my God bless you", are we actually talking about a different God here? There are some questions that I don't have an answer for, or rather, I don't have enough knowledge and experience to answer them. Why is there segregation within the Christian faith itself? Do we not read the same word and sing praises to the same God? It doesn't matter if you're Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian or Charismatic, bottom line is, we have the same values and we have the same faith, it's just that we worship in a different manner. Shouldn't we start celebrating the fact that WE are one in HIM, rather than saying, your church and my church? We are after all, all children of God.
There is one part in the book that I absolutely love.. the part where he talked about love and commitment. Where commitment was once a positive word and yet, now, it's one that people avoid, in faith and in marriage. Yet when one fails to commit, they just simply miss what's on the other side.. - A happiness you cannot find alone. How true.
Another part of the book that I really liked was his sharing with the Reb about happiness.. the secret of happiness. "Be satisfied. Be grateful. For what you have. For the love you receive. And for what God has given you." It's something that seems like common sense, something that all of us have heard for a million times and know by heart.. Contentment. Yes. We know it by heart but do we put that to practice? I can't say that I do all the time, or at least, I try my best to remember and thank God for all that He has blessed me with.
This book is about a person's last days, a Rebbi's last days and his interactions with the author in preparation for his eulogy. We may not have that many life experiences and I do believe that we can always learn from another person's life. Their views, their perspectives and their wisdom. This is one book I'm contemplating buying for all my friends. This is seriously one good read!
When someone says, your god and my god.. Is it the start of a subtle distinction and segregation? If a Christian tells a Jew, "May your god and my God bless you", are we actually talking about a different God here? There are some questions that I don't have an answer for, or rather, I don't have enough knowledge and experience to answer them. Why is there segregation within the Christian faith itself? Do we not read the same word and sing praises to the same God? It doesn't matter if you're Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian or Charismatic, bottom line is, we have the same values and we have the same faith, it's just that we worship in a different manner. Shouldn't we start celebrating the fact that WE are one in HIM, rather than saying, your church and my church? We are after all, all children of God.
There is one part in the book that I absolutely love.. the part where he talked about love and commitment. Where commitment was once a positive word and yet, now, it's one that people avoid, in faith and in marriage. Yet when one fails to commit, they just simply miss what's on the other side.. - A happiness you cannot find alone. How true.
Another part of the book that I really liked was his sharing with the Reb about happiness.. the secret of happiness. "Be satisfied. Be grateful. For what you have. For the love you receive. And for what God has given you." It's something that seems like common sense, something that all of us have heard for a million times and know by heart.. Contentment. Yes. We know it by heart but do we put that to practice? I can't say that I do all the time, or at least, I try my best to remember and thank God for all that He has blessed me with.
This book is about a person's last days, a Rebbi's last days and his interactions with the author in preparation for his eulogy. We may not have that many life experiences and I do believe that we can always learn from another person's life. Their views, their perspectives and their wisdom. This is one book I'm contemplating buying for all my friends. This is seriously one good read!
Wednesday, May 6, 2009
Books and more Books!
I haven't caught the show, but I'm just starting to read the book, "He's just not that into you". It's the type of book that I'd call, braintertainment. At least you're actively reading something. Anyway, let's try not to digress here!!!
YES! READ the book if you're free, cause I'm just into page 50 and I'm entertained. It's hilarious, the way he, Greg, so brutally retorts girls who gives excuses for their man or man to be! What I've learnt so far, as long as you have to find excuses for the guy.. well.. you complete the sentence.. "He's just not that into you". Doesn't take a genius to know that!
Yes, I'm blogging and reading between my papers! Hey.. I need a break too right!
Another book that I think EVERYONE should read, I've blogged about that too, and NOW this STYLE genius has his own show! LOVE HIM! Tim Gunn's book, A Guide to Quality, Taste and Style! I mean, that guy can make a rocker look elegant and sophisticated! That's what we WANT right?! Look good at the right time, at the right place! Three Cheers to Tim Gunn!
So once you're done with Braintertainment, Fashion.. head on to more serious books.. Two good reads are:
Barrack Obama's: Change we can believe in
and
Malcolm Gladwell's: OUTLIERS!
Both fantastic reads!
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